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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 563 for the 4th of August

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we're into August 2019 which had

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Saunders here with you from Sydney

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Australia coming up on this week's show

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I catch up with a very old friend of

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mine well he's not old I mean he's an

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old friend

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we've been friends for a long time Derek

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Colin dunno one of the original

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skeptical podcasts skepticality the show

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he did with swoopy Robin McCarthy

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predates my show predates the skeptic

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guide to the universe predates skeptoid

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predates the geologic podcast also

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skeptics with a k' the ESP the European

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skeptics podcast Americans would be got

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in before all of us and of course not

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too many years after Derek started T is

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skeptical podcasting he suffered a brain

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aneurysm which really nearly cost him

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his life it's remarkable what Derek had

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to do to get back his life back together

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especially when it came to podcasting

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but Derek is also the program director

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it's kept track at DragonCon which is

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coming up in a few weeks and Derek will

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give us an overview of what to expect at

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DragonCon

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this year and I'm certainly looking

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forward to being a part of that fun

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after that we hear about this year's

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nominations for the Australian skeptics

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bent spoon award oh I like the men spoon

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Award presented to the most preposterous

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piece of paranormal or pseudo scientific

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people every year from Australian

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skeptics we're gonna look at some of the

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past winners today really win they're

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losers they sort of went they win award

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do you don't want to win and again find

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out how you yes you can help us find a

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worthy recipient for this year following

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that we dive deep into the back issues

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of the skeptic the magazine from

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Australian skeptics so deep we can't

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dive any deeper we go to issue one page

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one story one the very first report in

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the pages of the skeptic revolving

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around a Mel

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a psychic surgeon then to round off the

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show a blast from the past again we go

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back to 2012 and replay is very rare

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event on the skeptics and we do this

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we're going to replay a think tank

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featuring James Randi now the think tank

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was for many years of feature of the

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sceptic zone where we'd get together at

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the club at the end of the street with

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some people and a couple of beers and

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wines and dinner and chat about

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skeptical issues well in 2012 James

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Randi joined us when we did a think tank

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down in Melbourne when we were all there

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for the Australian skeptics National

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Convention and it's interesting for me

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to go back pour over the archives of the

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skeptic zone because there are many

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interviews and reports and items that I

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I wouldn't say I've forgotten about but

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I certainly don't remember the details

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and listening to this think tank with

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James Randi all over again is a real

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pleasure it's great to hear Randy's

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voice on the show again and of course it

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also features that well known goose

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for the upcoming skeptic on in Melbourne

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in December stay tuned at the end of the

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show for more announcements from me but

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now it's time for me to run downstairs

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and I think I'll have a slice or two of

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this lovely chilli cheese on toast

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melted of course cheese toast melted

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chili cheese special chilli oh yes very

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special chilli and while I do that I

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and joining me now on the line all the

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way from wonderful Atlanta Georgia is

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one of the pioneers folks of skeptical

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podcasting it's helfen Derek Collin

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dunno hello Derek should I usually get

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my horses all hitched up and get like

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one of those dragons wagons and head

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think that's what you should do I think

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that's what you should being a pioneer

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let's talk about that briefly Derek you

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know the skeptic zone has been around

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for coming up to 11 years skeptoid is

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even a bit older than that the skeptics

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guide to the universe is a bit older

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than that even Georgia Ralph has got a

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show going back over a decade but you I

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think you beat us all can you tell us

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about the early days of skepticality and

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why you started such a thing oh well

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let's see so for history there the

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skeptic Scott is only about a week and a

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half newer than skepticality so we I

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like to to say we're pretty much started

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at the same time about a week apart

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right we didn't know each other it just

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happened to be random chance that I

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didn't know about them they didn't know

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about me and told me were like three or

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four episodes in actually but back in

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the day I used to be a on on-air radio

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guy in Vegas when I had I was going to

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college there I did a couple morning

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show I did a morning show I can't do two

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morning shows you know I didn't have a

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morning show I was one of the hosts for

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a morning show in Vegas and then also

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late nights I did all Relic radio kdg

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he's still around he still does what he

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does he's made famous because he used to

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do kind of like the colonel thing from

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Elvis but he did it for rock acts to

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like make them popular because nobody

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knew them like Tiffany he put Tiffany in

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malls without a permit just made her

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sing and then she became a thing

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so that was Dortch home and he was one

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of Mike yeah so he owned the raise was

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one of the recent radio station I did

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the late-night all rock stuff or so you

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were on there yeah I speak so you you

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knew how the that sort of side of things

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worked and now it's Whoopi Oh has been a

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friend of mine since gosh

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93-94 she just live with me way back in

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station when I did my late-night stuff

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on alt rock because there we like to do

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that because you know we had big-name

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people like we had like Maher and Manson

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come in and all those big rock and I

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knees bands would come in to do

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interviews so we'd always be there with

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a microphone and a large city wide

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audience and go

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wouldn't it be nice that we could talk

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about the stuff we like to talk about

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which is like skepticality so when

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podcast it came out I found the atom

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courier was starting to do it because

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tax Tobin said have you seen this

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because he thought it was funny and I

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said oh that's cool and I showed it to

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swoopy I got home one time and on the

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whiteboard in my office it said

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skepticality and I said what's that and

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swoopy said that's the name of her

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podcast and that's how we started but

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that was but mm like three four four or

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thousand four yeah so that's how that

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podcasting and before the keynote at the

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time Steve Jobs would release features

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that have been around around for a few

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months so when they announced the

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overall in podcasting so he was doing

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his keynote and they put a picture of me

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and swoopy which used to be at the logo

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for our show behind in of course yes and

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talk about the skepticality was just

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really really cool and then two days

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later that's when my aneurysm blew up in

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my brain so yeah people always made made

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the joke that you know your resume

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happened because your brain just

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exploded because Steve Jobs talked about

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you and and that that was quite a

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dramatic time folks because I began

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and then one day there was a strange

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message come just from swoopy and sweepy

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aneurysm stroke whatever it was they

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didn't know and at the time

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way back then called the skeptic tank I

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think it was called which would yeah but

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did podcasting wise one of the early

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predecessors of the skeptic zone and

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that happened during our making of that

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show so I told my audience that this

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message had come through interesting

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times but after quite a long period of

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getting your head together

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if I can put it that way you were back

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yeah well I'd had to relearn how to they

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told me I would never walk again um I

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kind of walk I walk but if I don't think

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about it I fall but I can walk so I

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don't care my speech took a long time

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like three years of speech therapy

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before I could even remotely sound like

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a sound now before then sounded like a

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stroke patient in fact there was some

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recordings on the skepticality episodes

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between like two thousand six and seven

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where swoopy was run in the show and she

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would have me on now and then and i go

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back and listen to as like oh man i

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really couldn't talk then but yeah so i

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through lots of really good speech

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therapy they Rattray mapped all of my

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speech through where you sing that i my

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speech therapist said it's like this the

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part of your brain bar people talk you

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can look up my MRI it's really fun you

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say where's the speech center of the

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brain well that's where that giant hole

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is because I don't have that anymore

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that it complete because when blood when

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my errors in blue blood when it hits

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your brain cells it kills them so that

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was the danger the reason I had a pump

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all that blood out of my head and they

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didn't think I would survive but they

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did they did it well enough where I

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survived and because of that though my

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speech their center of my brain is

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really just not there much at all so

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they remapped all of my speech through

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where you sing and my speech syrup is

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like it's kind of like this when the

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Beatles sing they don't sound English

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right they don't it's interesting isn't

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it yes so it's not even pro saying for

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your brain it's funny to think about

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that because you're you're thinking or

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just using the same prayer brain because

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you're talking but in a different way

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completely different per your brain so

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they had to like retrain me to talk

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through that part your brain I will tell

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you I tell people everybody everything I

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was drained me I had no idea and my

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doctor is like like it takes a lot more

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calories to think then people think it

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does and I would come home from my day

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go back and do it again I was like so

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beat down it was the hardest thing ever

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know this I would go home and I put on

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my earphones from podcasting and listen

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to myself and then I can actually hear

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my mistakes I couldn't ever hear them

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before then it's really weird because

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you the reason why most people don't

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like their voice when they hear it

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recording is because the voice in your

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through your brain and your skull but

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assuming what you're saying is what

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ability to know what you're actually

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saying you just assume your brain just

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says your said what you said it doesn't

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matter and you think you hear that but

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you don't and it's it's it's a funny

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you can be convinced that you're hearing

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your voice in your head that you're not

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it's and that's why you hate your own

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voice when it's recording because it's

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not what you're used to hearing this is

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quite an insight for a podcaster to have

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really because it it is acutely aware or

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it's acutely important to eat people

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like you and I and all our colleagues in

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the skeptical podcasting world that our

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voices you know we trade off our voices

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to a very large extent and you're right

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skeptic zone and I'm listening to myself

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there will be times where I completely

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mispronounce a word it sounds completely

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different to the word that I should have

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said or I thought I said and I have to

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or something like that it's a very

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strange very strange experience yeah and

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it's like I said you could probably

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swear that you said that mmm but you

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didn't it is it is absolutely strange

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well this year's something to look

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forward to Derek I can't wait to be

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there at DragonCon I'm doing a skeptic

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zone live which I'm looking forward to

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I'm on a couple of panels but what can

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people expect when they come along oh

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jeez

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oh that's here this year we have some

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really good magicians we got Jamie and

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Swiss we got Kurt Anderson and then we

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also have Oh Matt Dillon honey who

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solely does the atheist experience and

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he actually has a TV show in the Midwest

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somewhere and that talks about that

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stuff he's a really good man Mentalist

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as well a lot of you don't know that so

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we do a lot of magic obviously the

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crossover between magic and skepticism

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is pretty obvious to your audience yeah

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a lot of people don't realize it so it

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to me it's one of the best ways to get

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people so that's really cool and

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actually this year between Matt and and

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Kurt they're actually creating a show

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this kind of be very much aimed rated

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the skeptical heart of some of the stuff

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that James Randi likes to talk about too

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like the psychic surgery and all that

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how they they used to fool you with

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actual stage magic to make people think

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that magic was real the past eight or so

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years I've always had a couple nights

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three or four nights of just late night

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you know skeptical comedy so we have

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Leeanne Lord again got Ian Harris and

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then we also are usually on Sunday or

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Saturday night depends on what I ain't

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get all the people there Georgia Tech

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all the professors and a bunch of the

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students that are from the physics and

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astronomy department there are comedians

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Santa comedians that are actual you know

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scholars at the University high-level

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guys that they come and they have a

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comedy troupe called you know [\h__\h]

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Palooza and they usually do that

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night either Saturday or Sunday night

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and we have our normal bevy of panels

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and discussions and a bunch of talks -

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well I it's it's I'm tired I'm too tired

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now I'm worn out listening to how good

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this is going to be I know I know I had

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every time I went there years ago I was

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very busy which made me very happy I

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gave talks and I actually did a talk on

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this on the podcasting panel on you

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which I enjoyed very much yeah so I

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cannot wait I cannot wait to come back

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and enjoy the madness the mayhem the

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color and the confusion that is drag you

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have an account if you think it's mad if

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you think madness and confusion in the

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past there's nothing that was easy you

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were talking that was like you know

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always hokum local convention when you

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saw before you wait it is now like it's

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the size of a city now it's crazy the

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whole thing is nuts but I love it every

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year I tell people it's mad but I think

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to me it's my Christmas I it's a bunch

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of people I don't see but yet once a

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year maybe twice if I am lucky but you

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know you were all get together you're

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having fun and then of course you're

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depressed one is over but it you have

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just wait - or another year but to me

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it's like all the family gets back

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together once a year and you have a

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blast and then you know you have to wait

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a whole another year for your open up

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presence again well I loved it before

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I'm sure I will love it again

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Derek if people want to come along way

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can they get the information go to WWE

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and cano one word org o RG at drank on

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we don't have tickets we have

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memberships because when you come to

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Dragon Con you remember you remember for

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life every time you come you're the

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number they give you is the number you

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keep but so when you baobab your

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membership it's always best to buy it

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now because the ticket prices go up by

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twenty dollars every two to three months

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and then soon within the next like week

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the skeptics dot DragonCon org for the

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skeptic track and you just skeptics top

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dragon Condor course kept track org

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because the same place I'll be posting

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the schedule and some of the information

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for what's going to be happening this

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year

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excellent well I'll put

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those links in the show notes this week

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and very soon you'll be able to see the

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full schedule coming up for this year

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can't wait to see you I can't wait to

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see my friends from the skeptics guide

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to the universe and all the other people

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I've known over the years but for now

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take a breath take a very big breath

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prepare yourself for the madness that is

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Dragon Con and thank you very much Derek

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Thank You Richard and I will see you in

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about a month

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Surf Coast spring skeptic am 2019 in

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September CS CCS is Australia's

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longest-running skeptic camp this year

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we are celebrating our seventh year

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skeptic camps are designed to give many

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members the opportunity to briefly

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twenty to thirty minutes present on a

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topic of their choice skeptic camps have

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been run in hundreds of locations and in

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many countries since the first one was

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held in 2007 in Denver the event will be

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at aireys inlet and idyllic township

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located on the Victorian surf coast come

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down for the day or make it a weekend by

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staying a night or two in the region

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either way just feel free to enjoy the

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location and the views at the end of the

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day we adjourn to the Aries pub for a

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drink a bite to eat and of course

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sceptical discussion it's free to

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register but we will ask for about ten

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dollars to cover the cost of lunch on

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the day financial support will be

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provided by dr. McVeigh grounder of the

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event and the Victorian skeptics and the

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that south coast Springs Skippy camp for

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2019 on the 14th of September from 10

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a.m. to 4 p.m. at the aireys inlet

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community hall for more information just

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google surf coast of spring skeptic camp

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or follow the links in this week's show

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notes this year once again the

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Australian skeptics will be presenting

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the annual bent spoon award the bent

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spoon award is presented annually to the

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perpetrator of the most Papa stress

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piece of paranormal or pseudo-scientific

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piffle the very first bent spoon award

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was given out in 1982 to tom awards a

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self-proclaimed psychic whose

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predictions in the popular press were

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renowned for their inaccuracy other

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winners over the years have included

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Peter Brock who was a very famous and a

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very skillful racing car driver here in

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Australia however he fell into the trap

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the reception of orgone energy and was

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trying to sell something he called the

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energy polarizer which is a device once

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fitted to a car engine was said to make

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the car run better and give you a better

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fuel economy and so on and so forth and

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dankbaar and adelaide psychic who said

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she discovered the colossus of rhodes in

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1991 Woman's Day magazine for its

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coverage in support of the paranormal in

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particular astrology and Woman's Day and

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new idea to this day still promote the

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the paranormal a creationist Alan s

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Roberts for his search for Noah's Ark a

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more serious winner or a more serious

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subject for a winner was 1997 dr. Vera

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Schreiber for her anti immunization

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advise the late my Quilici one in 1999

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for a documentary he sponsored called

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signs from God where he visited people

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displaying the stigmata

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in 2005 ABC television one with a

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program called second opinion which was

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a very uncritical more or less ad for

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wuined quackery of every shape and color

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and description I remember that show

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very well it would truly was a parade of

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endless quackery another important award

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was made in 2006 to the pharmacists of

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Australia and reading from the blurb who

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managed to forget their scientific

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training long enough to sell quackery

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and snake oil such as homeopathy and ear

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candles in places where consumers should

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expect to get real medical supplies and

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advice and although that was presented

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way back in 2006 you can today walk into

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many pharmacies across Australia and

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still find homeopathy and ear candles

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another anti-vaxxer in 2009 Meryl Dory

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whose name has come up quite frequently

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over the years on the sceptic zone and

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the deceptively named Australian

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vaccination network who spread fear and

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misinformation about vaccines they are

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currently called the Australian

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vaccination risks Network in a similar

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vein in 2012 the winner was Fran

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Sheffield from homeopathy Plus this is

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an Australian outfit selling homeopathy

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to cure everything imaginable the blurb

543
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says they won for advocating the use of

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magical sugar and water in place of

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tried-and-true vaccinations for many

546
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deadly diseases most notably whooping

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cough in 2013 was the turn of the

548
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chiropractor's Association of Australia

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and the chiropractic board of Australia

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for failing to ensure their own members

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including some committee members and

552
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hear to their policy announcements

553
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another anti-vaxxer in 2016 Julie while

554
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Eamon

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and we come to 2018 the latest winner

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Sarah Stevenson Sarah's day for the

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promotion of questionable natural health

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remedies via her vast network of

559
00:24:37,870 --> 00:24:35,050
followers sort of an Instagram

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influencer I guess you'd say now all

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this is to encourage you if you're in

562
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Australia or you know of an Australian

563
00:24:51,790 --> 00:24:49,670
quack or purveyor of particular whoo you

564
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can nominate them for the bent spoon

565
00:24:55,180 --> 00:24:53,120
award I'll put a link in the show notes

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it's easy to find if you go to skeptics

567
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and comm au and follow the link to

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features than the bent spoon award and

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it says here nominations for a

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nomination to be accepted it should

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include the following details the name

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and contact details of the nominator

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only the name will be listed on the

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website the name of the person or

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organization being nominated the reason

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00:25:23,650 --> 00:25:21,470
for the nomination including a clear

577
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:23,660
explanation of the link to the

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paranormal or to pseudoscience please do

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not nominate people who do their woooo

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outside Australia even if they appear on

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Australian television doing so the bent

582
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spoon is for local heroes only we also

583
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reserve the right to reject nominations

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that are deemed inappropriate defamatory

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or frivolous nominations will not be

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accepted and I think almost without fail

587
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people will write in nominating the

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Australian skeptics now to give you some

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idea so far we've got three nominations

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00:26:04,860 --> 00:26:02,030
for this year's bent spoon award we have

591
00:26:08,290 --> 00:26:04,870
a SBS television for their program

592
00:26:10,930 --> 00:26:08,300
medicine or myth and this reminds me a

593
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:10,940
little bit of the second opinion program

594
00:26:16,750 --> 00:26:13,130
all those years ago this is nominated by

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00:26:19,390 --> 00:26:16,760
Gary Barker and it says every episode of

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00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:19,400
SBS TVs medicine or myth television

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00:26:24,790 --> 00:26:22,310
program misson forms the public as to

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00:26:27,180 --> 00:26:24,800
how products and therapies can or should

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00:26:30,790 --> 00:26:27,190
be tested for safety and effectiveness

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what is displayed is television not

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00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:32,270
science

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in particular the episode telecast on

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00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:38,300
June 2nd included a segment on emotional

604
00:26:45,490 --> 00:26:41,210
freedom techniques the process of

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00:26:49,150 --> 00:26:45,500
tapping with two fingers why to unpure

606
00:26:51,549 --> 00:26:49,160
ative points along one's meridians to

607
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:51,559
relieve stress and there's more

608
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information about that nomination on the

609
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website now the next nominee is for dr.

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Terry Beth's and the University of

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00:27:06,010 --> 00:27:03,080
Melbourne and this is by Hugh ham dr.

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Terry Beth's head of the anesthesia and

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pain management assistant professor in

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veterinary anesthesia and alagaësia

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at the University of Melbourne and the

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university itself for promoting animal

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acupuncture and traditional Chinese

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veterinary medicine at the University of

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Melbourne you vet Werribee Animal

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Hospital and finally we come to a

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nomination by Jeff Andrews good price

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pharmacy the good price pharmacy gives

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away a magazine called natural health

624
00:27:41,950 --> 00:27:39,500
Crusader which in reality is an

625
00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:41,960
advertising channel for Caruso natural

626
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:43,910
health products although the propagation

627
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of unproven therapies alone should be

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00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:49,730
enough to win them the award they also

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00:27:54,700 --> 00:27:52,490
use Pete Evans who incidentally is a

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00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:54,710
previous spent spoon winner to push

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their products with an interview quote

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00:28:02,049 --> 00:27:58,880
how Pete Evans

633
00:28:03,730 --> 00:28:02,059
changed our lives end quote Evans is a

634
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:03,740
supporter of the anti-vaccination

635
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:06,530
movement which worships at the feet of

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00:28:11,650 --> 00:28:09,679
the discredited doctor Andrew Wakefield

637
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:11,660
although the article does not mention

638
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,480
vaccinations anyone reading it could

639
00:28:19,150 --> 00:28:16,640
come away with the conclusion that Evans

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00:28:22,210 --> 00:28:19,160
is a great guy and must be right about

641
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:22,220
vaccinations too ironically this

642
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:24,559
magazine is placed on the counter of the

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00:28:31,450 --> 00:28:27,890
pharmacy next to a poster hyping their

644
00:28:34,150 --> 00:28:31,460
vaccination service for influenza so

645
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there you are the three nominations this

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00:28:39,540 --> 00:28:35,330
year so far

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00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:39,550
certainly revolve around medical claims

648
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but that doesn't stop you nominating a

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00:28:45,660 --> 00:28:43,480
psychic or

650
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:45,670
or any other form of woo or any other

651
00:28:52,110 --> 00:28:48,880
form of pseudoscience or anything along

652
00:28:55,230 --> 00:28:52,120
those lines so if you want to nominate

653
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:55,240
why not have a go your nomination will

654
00:29:00,330 --> 00:28:58,210
be reviewed and if it's acceptable will

655
00:29:02,910 --> 00:29:00,340
be published on the website of

656
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:02,920
Australian skeptic and your nominee will

657
00:29:10,140 --> 00:29:04,330
be in the running for the bench spoon

658
00:29:12,780 --> 00:29:10,150
award once again just head for skeptics

659
00:29:14,940 --> 00:29:12,790
comm dot a you and you can read all

660
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:14,950
about the bench spoon award or just

661
00:29:25,180 --> 00:29:17,290
follow the links in this week's show

662
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:30,760
[Music]

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00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:33,230
the reason was the interview show from

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the Merseyside skeptic society where

665
00:29:38,780 --> 00:29:36,750
each month I speak to someone about

666
00:29:41,060 --> 00:29:38,790
their fringe beliefs over the Earth's

667
00:29:43,130 --> 00:29:41,070
are spoken to psychics UFO believers

668
00:29:45,260 --> 00:29:43,140
moon landing and ayahs flat earthers

669
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:45,270
Hollow Earth as an all manner of unusual

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00:29:48,890 --> 00:29:47,130
conspiracy theorists but I've also

671
00:29:51,260 --> 00:29:48,900
talked to aids denialists white

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00:29:52,790 --> 00:29:51,270
supremacists gay conversion therapies

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00:29:54,650 --> 00:29:52,800
I even interviewed Jim Humble the

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00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:54,660
inventor of miracle mineral supplement a

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form of industrial bleach that he and

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his followers used to treat cancer and

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HIV this isn't a debate show my aim

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isn't to win an argument but when we

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listen to how people promote and justify

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00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:07,320
the ideas that we disagree with even the

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dangerous ones I think we become much

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00:30:12,860 --> 00:30:11,040
more effective at countering those ideas

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if that sounds like something you'd be

684
00:30:16,910 --> 00:30:14,940
interested in look for be reasonable on

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Apple podcasts and everywhere else the

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podcast

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[Laughter]

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now over the past months we've been

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bringing you reports articles insights

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investigations and interviews from the

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pages of the skeptic the journal from

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Australian skeptics and I thought this

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week I would review the very first

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00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:52,169
article ever to appear way back in the

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skeptic number one from 1981

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[Music]

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skeptics test psychic surgeon by Mark

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00:31:10,220 --> 00:31:07,170
Plummer when a small paragraph

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00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,230
advertised in the age on January the 3rd

700
00:31:15,020 --> 00:31:12,720
stated that an english-medium psychic

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00:31:17,540 --> 00:31:15,030
surgeon would be commencing practice in

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00:31:20,510 --> 00:31:17,550
Melbourne the Australian skeptics swung

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00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:20,520
into action the advertised numbers were

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00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:23,700
rung and we were told that mr. román

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00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:26,370
dare cough acted as a medium for

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00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:29,940
deceased surgeons to conduct psychic

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00:31:36,140 --> 00:31:32,370
operations an appointment was arranged

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00:31:39,290 --> 00:31:36,150
for an elderly patient and her son to

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attend for surgery the patient was

710
00:31:45,140 --> 00:31:41,880
actually 73 year old medical

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00:31:49,460 --> 00:31:45,150
practitioner dr. Murphy Beadle and her

712
00:31:52,010 --> 00:31:49,470
son was magician Mike Wilton a committee

713
00:31:54,770 --> 00:31:52,020
member of the Australian skeptics our

714
00:31:58,970 --> 00:31:54,780
team of doctor Beadnell and Mike Walton

715
00:32:01,940 --> 00:31:58,980
found mr. dare cuffs clinic located in a

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00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:01,950
new villa unit at 22 Aiken Street cue

717
00:32:07,970 --> 00:32:04,620
the family room of the villa was the

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reception area and the receptionist /

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00:32:13,820 --> 00:32:09,990
nurse went to great lengths to assure

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the seemingly fragile elderly lady that

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there would be no pain we were informed

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00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:19,920
there would be no blood either as mr.

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00:32:23,980 --> 00:32:23,250
deer cough worked only on the psychic

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body

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00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:27,090
the nurses short-out team that

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00:32:30,430 --> 00:32:29,580
operations done to date had been very

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00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:30,440
successful

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their cough left to prepare himself and

729
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,400
donned a white coat Wilton was assured

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that he would be able to observe the

731
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treatment in the bedroom which became

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00:32:49,660 --> 00:32:46,080
the operating theater for the night with

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dim blue lighting and the strains of

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Michael row your boat ashore doctor

735
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Beadnell was laid on the bed / operating

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table after a suitable brief prayer dear

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00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:04,740
cough slowly stood then walked with a

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limp he had adopted the plumy accent of

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a pommy

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00:33:20,110 --> 00:33:11,300
dr. Robert

741
00:33:24,170 --> 00:33:20,120
cranium with a special invisible psychic

742
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microscope dr. Roberts amazed our team

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with the revelation that the brain was

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00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:29,730
divided into two halves the left and the

745
00:33:36,380 --> 00:33:32,370
right and was composed of millions of

746
00:33:39,260 --> 00:33:36,390
cells dr. Roberts stated that several of

747
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these naughty cells were misbehaving

748
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themselves this was explained in

749
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:44,910
layman's terms as being akin to a car

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00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:49,110
motor with loose spark plugs the problem

751
00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:52,850
explained the treatment began several

752
00:33:59,020 --> 00:33:56,760
special invisible psychic tubes were

753
00:34:02,300 --> 00:33:59,030
inserted through dr. beetles head

754
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:02,310
threaded through the body and came out

755
00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:05,490
through the soles of her feet then all

756
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:09,540
the bad fluids were psychically drained

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00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:12,090
from her body this was followed by the

758
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passing of hands down the length of the

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body and the amazing discovery that one

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00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:21,000
half of the patient's brain was hot

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00:34:27,350 --> 00:34:24,090
more passings of hands followed but

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clearly a second opinion was needed dr.

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Roberts left mr. Jacobs body and dr.

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Maurice supposedly a deceased french

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00:34:43,399 --> 00:34:39,419
gynecologist took over dr. Maurice

766
00:34:46,030 --> 00:34:43,409
French accent had clearly deteriorated

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00:34:49,460 --> 00:34:46,040
since his death to say nothing of his

768
00:34:52,130 --> 00:34:49,470
diagnostic talents for the diagnosis was

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that the patient's stomach pains were

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caused by displaced pelvic bones after

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00:35:02,420 --> 00:34:59,850
the birth of her last child lying on the

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bed now dr. Bignell couldn't remember

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having any children not even a

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00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,030
miscarriage dr. maurice also diagnosed

775
00:35:14,810 --> 00:35:12,240
deafness in her left ear our patient

776
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:14,820
couldn't remember deafness having been a

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00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:17,760
problem but clearly this liked the birth

778
00:35:24,050 --> 00:35:20,130
of her various children must have

779
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:24,060
slipped her memory dr. Roberts returned

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to wrap up the post-operative treatment

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the good lady would have to come back

782
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:32,940
for further treatment she would feel

783
00:35:38,180 --> 00:35:35,040
quite tired over the next few days and

784
00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:38,190
must drink plenty of water she would

785
00:35:43,250 --> 00:35:41,190
also pass more fluid than normal one

786
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would hope than anyone drinking more

787
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water than normal would also pass more

788
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water than normal

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our team posed a few more questions for

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dr. Roberts to find out he was a

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practicing brain surgeon at st.

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Bartholomew's before dying in 1948

793
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before more questions could be put dr.

794
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Roberts had to depart leaving us with

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dr. dare cough to show our team out the

796
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:10,920
door the opinion of the Australian

797
00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:13,650
skeptics testing team in case you

798
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:16,260
haven't guessed is that the utterances

799
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of the doctors who operated revealed a

800
00:36:24,740 --> 00:36:21,980
complete lack of any medical knowledge

801
00:36:27,710 --> 00:36:24,750
their diagnosis was wrong

802
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:27,720
manly hopeless French accent merely

803
00:36:34,610 --> 00:36:30,930
added to the conclusion that mr. de

804
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:34,620
cough was false our findings confirmed

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00:36:41,090 --> 00:36:36,930
that of an American federal court trade

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00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:41,100
commission judgment in 1975 that psychic

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00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:44,910
surgery and psychic healing is pure

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00:36:51,620 --> 00:36:48,480
fakery and fraud accomplished by the

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deception and trickery of the psychic

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00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:54,480
surgeons to deceive trusting persons

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into the false and mistaken belief that

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00:37:02,470 --> 00:36:59,190
human bodies have been opened with the

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bare hands diseased material or

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disease-causing material removed and the

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incision closed all without pain or

816
00:37:14,540 --> 00:37:12,450
suffering and mr. dear cough if you can

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00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:14,550
reach him on the advertised phone

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00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:17,310
numbers please tell him the Australian

819
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:19,500
skeptics are wondering how to explain

820
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:22,560
the item in their books psychic surgery

821
00:37:35,790 --> 00:37:32,610
m-matt comes to us once again from the

822
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skeptic magazine number one on the very

823
00:37:40,740 --> 00:37:39,040
front page the very first story also on

824
00:37:46,410 --> 00:37:40,750
the front page which is a broad sheet

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00:37:49,860 --> 00:37:46,420
size quite big Doris Stokes wrong police

826
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:49,870
with a big photograph of James Randi

827
00:37:55,890 --> 00:37:53,610
other stories include birth still here

828
00:37:57,630 --> 00:37:55,900
extensive research by the Australian

829
00:37:59,970 --> 00:37:57,640
skeptics has shown that the city of

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00:38:02,210 --> 00:37:59,980
Perth is still there because apparently

831
00:38:05,390 --> 00:38:02,220
it was predicted that the city would be

832
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:05,400
wiped out by a giant wall of water

833
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:08,170
elsewhere in the very first issue we

834
00:38:13,620 --> 00:38:10,510
have a story called alien honeycomb

835
00:38:15,540 --> 00:38:13,630
tested news of the very first bent spoon

836
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:15,550
award which was called the golden bent

837
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:17,890
spoon award in those days the story

838
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:22,570
about biorhythms mass hysteria also

839
00:38:28,530 --> 00:38:25,890
skeptics to test levitation claims and

840
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:28,540
one of the last stories simply says

841
00:38:33,390 --> 00:38:30,970
Australian skeptics last year Sydney's

842
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,400
electronics entrepreneur dick Smith

843
00:38:37,470 --> 00:38:35,680
sponsored a visit to Australia by James

844
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:37,480
Randi magician and principal

845
00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:39,280
investigator for the American based

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00:38:42,690 --> 00:38:41,020
Committee for the scientific

847
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:42,700
investigation of claims of the

848
00:38:48,060 --> 00:38:45,490
paranormal James Randi dick Smith Philip

849
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:48,070
Adams Richard cotton and a businessman

850
00:38:55,050 --> 00:38:52,480
put up $50,000 as a prize for anyone who

851
00:38:58,140 --> 00:38:55,060
could prove psychic phenomena in front

852
00:39:00,420 --> 00:38:58,150
of Randy over a hundred people came

853
00:39:02,730 --> 00:39:00,430
forward to be tested for water divining

854
00:39:06,030 --> 00:39:02,740
spoon bending extrasensory perception

855
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:06,040
psychic photography and psychic metal

856
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,710
detection all failed to prove their

857
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:11,200
claims in front of independent observers

858
00:39:16,050 --> 00:39:14,170
that is not to say psychic phenomena

859
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:16,060
does not exist and a group of

860
00:39:20,670 --> 00:39:18,160
Australians decided to set up an

861
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:20,680
Australian section of the now

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00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:23,110
international committee to continue the

863
00:39:28,110 --> 00:39:25,510
search and testing of the claims of the

864
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:28,120
paranormal it was decided to call the

865
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:31,210
group the Australian skeptics as a short

866
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:34,000
and catchy title you are a little bit of

867
00:39:38,970 --> 00:39:36,160
a little bit of history

868
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and that complete issue is yours free to

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download by visiting WWF dicks commie

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you

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00:39:58,930 --> 00:39:57,010
the earth is only six thousand years old

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00:40:02,020 --> 00:39:58,940
that's what Answers in Genesis and the

873
00:40:06,190 --> 00:40:02,030
Creation Museum say and how can a museum

874
00:40:08,830 --> 00:40:06,200
be wrong isn't dr. oz just wonderful

875
00:40:10,690 --> 00:40:08,840
I would love today's episode it didn't

876
00:40:14,170 --> 00:40:10,700
talk down to his adoring audience of

877
00:40:16,690 --> 00:40:14,180
women at all science has proved that the

878
00:40:18,180 --> 00:40:16,700
subatomic quantum realm is as real as it

879
00:40:20,530 --> 00:40:18,190
is counterintuitive and bizarre

880
00:40:21,940 --> 00:40:20,540
therefore I can use it to support

881
00:40:24,580 --> 00:40:21,950
quantum healing and quantum

882
00:40:26,610 --> 00:40:24,590
consciousness after all how can journals

883
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:26,620
like Aquarius metaphysics be wrong

884
00:40:31,150 --> 00:40:29,450
evolution is just a theory after all if

885
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:31,160
we came from monkeys then why are there

886
00:40:35,770 --> 00:40:34,010
still monkeys we all have friends and

887
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family who believe these things and much

888
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more well if you're a rational thinker

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who is tired of arguing on social media

890
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and never getting anywhere we have a

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909
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910
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join us now for drinking skeptically in

911
00:41:45,070 --> 00:41:43,040
the think tank right a hush has fallen

912
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:45,080
over the audience now as the hundreds of

913
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:46,250
thousands of people at the penny black

914
00:41:50,740 --> 00:41:48,890
next-door just go nuts during the meetup

915
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:50,750
that we've been having a hush falls over

916
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:52,910
and a microphone is passed to the man of

917
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:55,520
the moment Richard Saunders hello and

918
00:41:59,800 --> 00:41:58,160
welcome to this special Melbourne think

919
00:42:01,150 --> 00:41:59,810
tank it's not the first Melbourne think

920
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:01,160
tank we've had but it's the first one

921
00:42:05,950 --> 00:42:03,440
this year I might say may not this is a

922
00:42:07,630 --> 00:42:05,960
wonderful evening that our friend Lynne

923
00:42:11,380 --> 00:42:07,640
Lee is really put together in yourself

924
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:11,390
it's hello and we've snuck away from the

925
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:12,800
main bar where there were lots of people

926
00:42:17,020 --> 00:42:15,200
with a select group of people here to

927
00:42:19,540 --> 00:42:17,030
have a little think tank chatting

928
00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:19,550
session and let me introduce our special

929
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:22,750
guests for the think tank James Randi

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00:42:28,780 --> 00:42:26,000
hello there I'm very happy to be here in

931
00:42:31,930 --> 00:42:28,790
such an August company to say the least

932
00:42:34,270 --> 00:42:31,940
I'm graduating now of course but we'll

933
00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:34,280
we'll see how a gust you can be in the

934
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:37,250
next 10-15 minutes we'll see how we can

935
00:42:40,690 --> 00:42:39,110
do we got a lovely group of people

936
00:42:41,140 --> 00:42:40,700
they're all taking photographs of some

937
00:42:42,730 --> 00:42:41,150
reason

938
00:42:44,890 --> 00:42:42,740
let's may not let's go around the room

939
00:42:48,010 --> 00:42:44,900
and let people introduce themselves yes

940
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:48,020
and now we have a we have a neutral here

941
00:42:53,530 --> 00:42:51,170
yes hi my name is Roland I'm from

942
00:42:56,130 --> 00:42:53,540
Switzerland and I'm here in Melbourne

943
00:42:59,410 --> 00:42:56,140
for one year asked for study reasons and

944
00:43:01,120 --> 00:42:59,420
I knew a lot about the skeptic zone and

945
00:43:03,450 --> 00:43:01,130
the Australian skeptics and that's why

946
00:43:05,650 --> 00:43:03,460
I'm here and you told me that there's no

947
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:05,660
skeptical movement in Switzerland

948
00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:08,090
officially that's not true not anymore

949
00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:10,910
we have not till now yeah yeah till now

950
00:43:17,850 --> 00:43:13,910
we we have founded a new one you'd find

951
00:43:21,620 --> 00:43:17,860
it under the website www.sceeto.com

952
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:21,630
takur written with a k'

953
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:24,330
and of course we have postal Italy hello

954
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:26,250
Hawaii you may not line now how you

955
00:43:30,050 --> 00:43:27,210
feeling it so far

956
00:43:33,020 --> 00:43:30,060
very good very hot and I need a nut tree

957
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:33,030
can have sir Gavin hello Mona and hello

958
00:43:37,970 --> 00:43:35,730
listeners like myself a No Agenda

959
00:43:39,770 --> 00:43:37,980
listener and a skipping zone listener I

960
00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:39,780
am also a producer of No Agenda and

961
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:43,110
longtime skeptic yes and private

962
00:43:49,790 --> 00:43:47,610
investigator now you know why is it I

963
00:43:54,170 --> 00:43:49,800
don't believe anything that I can't see

964
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:54,180
hear feel smell touch all photograph we

965
00:43:57,140 --> 00:43:55,770
got here John Connie

966
00:43:59,840 --> 00:43:57,150
yeah I'm not entirely sure why I'm here

967
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,850
I think you were here for the free

968
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:01,440
drinks John wasn't oh that's it that's

969
00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:04,650
it of course just just so I know what

970
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:06,390
paid you your on what's your word that

971
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:16,340
bad reporting bad journalism bad science

972
00:44:22,460 --> 00:44:20,490
journalism in particular I'm skeptical

973
00:44:25,940 --> 00:44:22,470
steve roberts from saw you skeptics i

974
00:44:27,890 --> 00:44:25,950
live round here so you just walking past

975
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:27,900
and saw a crowd well indeed yeah that's

976
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:29,520
quite a crowd here in fact yeah I'm a

977
00:44:33,140 --> 00:44:31,410
bit zone downs I've just been to motor

978
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,150
bike from London somebody vostok but I

979
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:35,520
I've got that this falling some kind of

980
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:38,400
you know you can fly now oh can you

981
00:44:42,740 --> 00:44:41,010
obviously told me that yeah no I tell

982
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,750
you sometimes I'll do a show about all

983
00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:44,160
the superstitions believes about a

984
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,440
Mongolian zone but it's good to be here

985
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:48,480
in all you guys in here in Melbourne my

986
00:44:52,370 --> 00:44:50,970
hometown and you know they work on with

987
00:44:54,860 --> 00:44:52,380
yeah it's interesting Steve you should

988
00:44:57,050 --> 00:44:54,870
mention that part of the world you are

989
00:44:59,690 --> 00:44:57,060
in Russia recently right and one of the

990
00:45:02,110 --> 00:44:59,700
very first times I remember seeing much

991
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:02,120
about the amazing James Randi was a

992
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,650
documentary that he took part in called

993
00:45:08,990 --> 00:45:06,240
secrets of the psychics

994
00:45:11,450 --> 00:45:09,000
where he went to Russia not long after

995
00:45:13,780 --> 00:45:11,460
the collapse of the Soviet Union and

996
00:45:15,890 --> 00:45:13,790
what a fascinating documentary that was

997
00:45:16,859 --> 00:45:15,900
do you have vivid memories of that time

998
00:45:18,809 --> 00:45:16,869
Randy

999
00:45:19,950 --> 00:45:18,819
well there was Cooley in photography and

1000
00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:19,960
every good thing in that wasn't no no

1001
00:45:25,259 --> 00:45:22,329
yes as a matter of fact you know it was

1002
00:45:27,209 --> 00:45:25,269
interesting period in history in general

1003
00:45:30,469 --> 00:45:27,219
of course to everyone around the world

1004
00:45:34,469 --> 00:45:30,479
but to be particularly for one aspect

1005
00:45:36,660 --> 00:45:34,479
they they had been freed up all of a

1006
00:45:39,180 --> 00:45:36,670
sudden and they didn't know what the

1007
00:45:42,089 --> 00:45:39,190
hell to do with it you know the the

1008
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:42,099
churches were suddenly filling up when

1009
00:45:47,219 --> 00:45:44,170
they had been pretty well discouraged

1010
00:45:49,410 --> 00:45:47,229
from from gathering crowds and such but

1011
00:45:52,349 --> 00:45:49,420
the churches were chock full right to

1012
00:45:56,039 --> 00:45:52,359
the doors and they to the windows as a

1013
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:56,049
matter of fact and everybody who had any

1014
00:46:00,450 --> 00:45:58,210
kind of crazy idea like carry on

1015
00:46:02,819 --> 00:46:00,460
photography or any of these things that

1016
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:02,829
are so popular among the woo woo crowd

1017
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:07,690
as I refer to them that suddenly took

1018
00:46:13,170 --> 00:46:10,450
off and it got away from the authorities

1019
00:46:15,950 --> 00:46:13,180
and I I don't know what happened to it

1020
00:46:19,890 --> 00:46:15,960
eventually but it did sort of level out

1021
00:46:21,930 --> 00:46:19,900
had a high level of acceptance and

1022
00:46:25,259 --> 00:46:21,940
belief in all kinds of strange strange

1023
00:46:26,459 --> 00:46:25,269
things is rather disturbing of all the

1024
00:46:28,709 --> 00:46:26,469
places in all the countries you've

1025
00:46:32,339 --> 00:46:28,719
traveled to is that one nation you find

1026
00:46:33,859 --> 00:46:32,349
more suggestible than another one no not

1027
00:46:37,170 --> 00:46:33,869
really I get asked this question

1028
00:46:38,759 --> 00:46:37,180
constantly as you might imagine but it's

1029
00:46:41,999 --> 00:46:38,769
just of a different degree or a

1030
00:46:45,420 --> 00:46:42,009
different flavor in some places they'll

1031
00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:45,430
all be for psychic surgery for example

1032
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:49,150
and they accept it and oh yes it's it's

1033
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:50,890
the way of medicine that that's the

1034
00:46:57,089 --> 00:46:53,680
future of medicine right and right next

1035
00:46:59,069 --> 00:46:57,099
door and another country just two miles

1036
00:47:00,839 --> 00:46:59,079
over the border they say oh thank you

1037
00:47:02,819 --> 00:47:00,849
trees you know that's total nonsense no

1038
00:47:04,730 --> 00:47:02,829
way Kirlian photography is the thing

1039
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:04,740
there's no question of that

1040
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:05,970
you were just telling me that

1041
00:47:10,730 --> 00:47:08,310
Switzerland has done the opposite to

1042
00:47:12,740 --> 00:47:10,740
most other governments and they've

1043
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:12,750
actually enshrined complementary

1044
00:47:17,210 --> 00:47:15,089
medicine into their system officially

1045
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,220
yes unfortunately that's that's one of

1046
00:47:21,410 --> 00:47:19,680
the side effects of direct democracy we

1047
00:47:23,660 --> 00:47:21,420
had a couple of years ago of people's

1048
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:23,670
initiative where they introduced

1049
00:47:28,010 --> 00:47:25,530
complementary medicine into the

1050
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:28,020
Constitution and that has as a result

1051
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,089
that government has now the government

1052
00:47:35,050 --> 00:47:31,680
health care system is now to pay

1053
00:47:37,130 --> 00:47:35,060
complementary and alternative medicine

1054
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,140
the opposite of the Australian and

1055
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:39,599
English government yes yes and that's

1056
00:47:44,420 --> 00:47:41,520
probably one of the reasons why we

1057
00:47:47,780 --> 00:47:44,430
started to come together and organize

1058
00:47:49,310 --> 00:47:47,790
ourselves Knowland is known for this

1059
00:47:51,950 --> 00:47:49,320
sort of thing particularly in the

1060
00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:51,960
complementary medicine angle Hahnemann

1061
00:47:56,329 --> 00:47:54,030
after after all you know he he grew up

1062
00:47:58,940 --> 00:47:56,339
there pretty well and he he founded

1063
00:48:05,810 --> 00:47:58,950
homeopathy that that chose a strange

1064
00:48:08,210 --> 00:48:05,820
expression founded homeopathy the words

1065
00:48:09,740 --> 00:48:08,220
don't come easily he's an amazing

1066
00:48:12,260 --> 00:48:09,750
coincidence you get from time to time

1067
00:48:14,530 --> 00:48:12,270
when you flew to Russia and this is

1068
00:48:18,530 --> 00:48:14,540
trivial knowledge you flew with Swissair

1069
00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:18,540
he yes but I didn't blame them no no

1070
00:48:23,570 --> 00:48:21,180
they were they were my hosts after all

1071
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:23,580
so I had to be polite but you know I I

1072
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:26,880
did have a must tell you they I'm

1073
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:29,130
compelled there's no question of it I

1074
00:48:37,010 --> 00:48:33,359
was in Copenhagen oh I guess it was

1075
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:37,020
about two years ago and I was taking a

1076
00:48:43,550 --> 00:48:40,800
friend to lunch and I write across a

1077
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:43,560
massive traffic with a real traffic jam

1078
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:45,810
in the middle of Copa Miriam I heard mr.

1079
00:48:51,140 --> 00:48:48,570
Romney mr. grandi I looked around and

1080
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:51,150
there's a fellow waving his hand in the

1081
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:53,970
air at me and I figured well nobody

1082
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:56,400
knows I'm in town really but he rushed

1083
00:49:01,520 --> 00:48:57,810
through the crowd almost got run over

1084
00:49:04,339 --> 00:49:01,530
several times and he rushed up to me all

1085
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:04,349
breathless he said mr. Andy oh he

1086
00:49:08,780 --> 00:49:06,210
extended his hand I shook his hand he

1087
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:08,790
said I want you to know I'm a skeptic

1088
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:12,170
too and I pulled the line on him which

1089
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:15,089
well it he bought us lunch as a result

1090
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,810
of it

1091
00:49:20,060 --> 00:49:17,280
give you the line just in case you want

1092
00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:20,070
to get a free lunch I just looked him up

1093
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:22,560
and down very quietly after he said I'm

1094
00:49:28,220 --> 00:49:24,570
a skeptic too and I looked at him I said

1095
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:28,230
I doubt that just to keep in character

1096
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:30,210
you see I had I had to be in character

1097
00:49:35,060 --> 00:49:32,250
had and he was so thrilled with that

1098
00:49:36,650 --> 00:49:35,070
equation he bought his lunch so I I got

1099
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:36,660
his address as a matter of fact so if

1100
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:38,730
you've got at Copenhagen a I'm sure they

1101
00:49:43,940 --> 00:49:40,650
kill he's good for it oh it's a good

1102
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:43,950
Fred I'm sure yes now I was just going

1103
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:46,440
to ask the crowd here in general now

1104
00:49:50,620 --> 00:49:48,690
we're all here of course for the

1105
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:50,630
Australian skeptics National Convention

1106
00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:53,450
how important do you think and I know

1107
00:49:58,940 --> 00:49:57,060
Tama in in the United States has been

1108
00:50:02,060 --> 00:49:58,950
going for a little bit 11 years next

1109
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:02,070
year yes yeah and in Australia we've

1110
00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:05,010
been having conventions now for 28 years

1111
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:07,560
I think it is man how important do you

1112
00:50:12,140 --> 00:50:10,290
think just around the room it is to have

1113
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:12,150
these gatherings is it preaching to

1114
00:50:16,370 --> 00:50:13,770
convert it or do you think it's more

1115
00:50:18,610 --> 00:50:16,380
important than that Lindley yeah I find

1116
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:18,620
it more fun to get out and meet people

1117
00:50:23,860 --> 00:50:21,450
it's important obviously to get the word

1118
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:23,870
out there are people who are young or

1119
00:50:29,900 --> 00:50:26,730
who have just come into the scene young

1120
00:50:32,020 --> 00:50:29,910
or old and it's good to sort of pass on

1121
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:32,030
the message that

1122
00:50:41,290 --> 00:50:37,050
scepticism and science is the way to to

1123
00:50:44,329 --> 00:50:41,300
view the world you can't sort of rely on

1124
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:44,339
psychic bullcrap or whatever sort of

1125
00:50:51,020 --> 00:50:47,760
rubbish that's out there and also a fun

1126
00:50:53,089 --> 00:50:51,030
way of just meeting people all that sort

1127
00:50:54,319 --> 00:50:53,099
of stuff big Davin you've been to a

1128
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:54,329
couple of these things what do you make

1129
00:50:57,710 --> 00:50:56,490
of them I love going to kept the camp's

1130
00:50:59,930 --> 00:50:57,720
whenever I can

1131
00:51:01,970 --> 00:50:59,940
my schedule is fairly busy being a

1132
00:51:04,359 --> 00:51:01,980
private investigator but I love meeting

1133
00:51:06,740 --> 00:51:04,369
like-minded people like when they said

1134
00:51:10,130 --> 00:51:06,750
enjoying their company and finding a new

1135
00:51:12,970 --> 00:51:10,140
whoo to hate and I'm looking over there

1136
00:51:18,020 --> 00:51:12,980
lucky eighty eight is out of order

1137
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:18,030
ironic irony love it the Polka venues

1138
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:19,290
yeah and I do

1139
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:20,880
I just love meeting the like-minded

1140
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:23,490
people and and yeah just using the

1141
00:51:28,010 --> 00:51:25,410
scientific method in mind you know in my

1142
00:51:29,630 --> 00:51:28,020
daily life I have to well actually as a

1143
00:51:31,579 --> 00:51:29,640
private investigator you have to be

1144
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:31,589
skeptical about stuff but also the law

1145
00:51:38,930 --> 00:51:34,800
isn't always logical so you've got that

1146
00:51:41,089 --> 00:51:38,940
dichotomy going on the law is an ass but

1147
00:51:43,849 --> 00:51:41,099
if you treat it as an S and you treat it

1148
00:51:46,940 --> 00:51:43,859
like a child so that whatever you have

1149
00:51:48,940 --> 00:51:46,950
to prove you prove it from the from the

1150
00:51:52,579 --> 00:51:48,950
ground floor right up to the penthouse

1151
00:51:54,109 --> 00:51:52,589
I've been I've been quizzed in court

1152
00:51:56,450 --> 00:51:54,119
back in the day when I was in the

1153
00:51:58,339 --> 00:51:56,460
federal police I took photographs old

1154
00:51:59,930 --> 00:51:58,349
chemical film photographs of a man

1155
00:52:02,930 --> 00:51:59,940
carrying a package contained about

1156
00:52:04,490 --> 00:52:02,940
twenty kilos of methamphetamine and two

1157
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:04,500
years later when I had to prove those

1158
00:52:10,010 --> 00:52:07,280
photographs in court we had to take the

1159
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,020
negatives and the Pretender prints and

1160
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:12,720
the man in the suit was not the man in

1161
00:52:18,070 --> 00:52:15,200
the death metal t-shirt with long hair

1162
00:52:21,340 --> 00:52:18,080
but it was still the same man and it's

1163
00:52:23,050 --> 00:52:21,350
it's a scientific proof they yes and I

1164
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:23,060
put my hand on the Bible

1165
00:52:29,410 --> 00:52:25,490
Dutch don't tell anyone I put my hand on

1166
00:52:31,210 --> 00:52:29,420
the Bible I swore the oath that you know

1167
00:52:32,620 --> 00:52:31,220
I took that photograph and this of these

1168
00:52:35,590 --> 00:52:32,630
are my photographs that I produced to

1169
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:35,600
the court and I I found unfortunately

1170
00:52:42,490 --> 00:52:39,170
that if you took the affirmation juries

1171
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:42,500
would not give as much weight to your

1172
00:52:46,510 --> 00:52:44,930
evidence as it so I would I would pick

1173
00:52:48,340 --> 00:52:46,520
up the Bible and I would see I would

1174
00:52:49,540 --> 00:52:48,350
swear I swear by Almighty God that the

1175
00:52:50,530 --> 00:52:49,550
evidence I shall give to the court in

1176
00:52:53,950 --> 00:52:50,540
this case should be the truth the whole

1177
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:53,960
truth and anything but the truth you

1178
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:55,490
would have found that to Randy but that

1179
00:52:58,570 --> 00:52:57,170
there was a bit of a bias against that

1180
00:52:59,890 --> 00:52:58,580
an American courtrooms as well is that

1181
00:53:03,250 --> 00:52:59,900
correct oh absolutely

1182
00:53:05,020 --> 00:53:03,260
by the way my ambition I'm a rascal

1183
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:05,030
there's no question I was born or

1184
00:53:08,980 --> 00:53:07,370
oscillating the dma and I I'm not

1185
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:08,990
responsible for it as my parent you have

1186
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:11,930
to go after them but see what I would do

1187
00:53:17,050 --> 00:53:13,730
is I would get a copy of a pornographic

1188
00:53:19,450 --> 00:53:17,060
novel I would put a cover of a Bible on

1189
00:53:22,570 --> 00:53:19,460
a newsmen and I would use that for the

1190
00:53:25,210 --> 00:53:22,580
oath but but that's that's my nature but

1191
00:53:27,010 --> 00:53:25,220
and get to get serious now troublemaker

1192
00:53:27,570 --> 00:53:27,020
it starts hit the beard and it goes from

1193
00:53:31,330 --> 00:53:27,580
there

1194
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,340
but to get serious folks this this I

1195
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:33,680
think is important when we do the

1196
00:53:40,930 --> 00:53:35,570
amazing meeting in Las Vegas every year

1197
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:40,940
I I spot people who I figure has

1198
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:43,610
something to say to me I let them have

1199
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:46,010
the opportunity of sort of getting me

1200
00:53:52,750 --> 00:53:50,090
aside and in many cases this is more

1201
00:53:56,890 --> 00:53:52,760
often than you might imagine I will get

1202
00:53:59,320 --> 00:53:56,900
people bursting into tears and telling

1203
00:54:02,410 --> 00:53:59,330
me I had to come to this meeting because

1204
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:02,420
you know it made a good a great deal of

1205
00:54:07,690 --> 00:54:05,210
difference to me I didn't realize before

1206
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:07,700
there were other people who believed the

1207
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:12,290
way I do that this is some like bullcrap

1208
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:13,930
or whatever

1209
00:54:18,540 --> 00:54:16,690
they they break down they break down and

1210
00:54:20,730 --> 00:54:18,550
they look around them there it's like

1211
00:54:23,580 --> 00:54:20,740
they'd just gotten into paradise somehow

1212
00:54:26,070 --> 00:54:23,590
but it's very serious to a lot of these

1213
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:26,080
people and those people always show up

1214
00:54:30,060 --> 00:54:28,330
on the subsequent years every year they

1215
00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:30,070
they go under their weight and make sure

1216
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:31,510
they're gonna be there and I've

1217
00:54:36,780 --> 00:54:33,310
developed a little coterie of these

1218
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:36,790
these folks who we rescued we really did

1219
00:54:42,030 --> 00:54:39,520
rescue them from some sort of insanity

1220
00:54:43,980 --> 00:54:42,040
they didn't realize that there were

1221
00:54:46,590 --> 00:54:43,990
people like the fellow says I'm

1222
00:54:49,050 --> 00:54:46,600
descriptor too you know I doubt that but

1223
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:49,060
there are people like this who really

1224
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,850
need this kind of support it's extremely

1225
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:53,680
important to them and sometimes I get

1226
00:54:58,290 --> 00:54:56,170
very heartfelt letters too that run on

1227
00:55:00,330 --> 00:54:58,300
through several pages from people I've

1228
00:55:02,220 --> 00:55:00,340
never heard of before it never heard

1229
00:55:05,130 --> 00:55:02,230
their names and they just find an

1230
00:55:07,410 --> 00:55:05,140
address for me this is very very

1231
00:55:08,790 --> 00:55:07,420
important and that's why I'm eating as

1232
00:55:11,130 --> 00:55:08,800
such as we're at right at this very

1233
00:55:14,220 --> 00:55:11,140
moment can be very important to a lot of

1234
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:14,230
folks it really supports them and have

1235
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:16,090
you noticed this John and Stephen for

1236
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:18,160
meetings like this in Victoria I think

1237
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:20,610
so I think another important thing about

1238
00:55:27,930 --> 00:55:22,960
our script it's groups and meetings in

1239
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:27,940
particular in particular but is the this

1240
00:55:36,849 --> 00:55:34,059
of activism against things like anti

1241
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:36,859
vaccine groups I mean yeah it's so it's

1242
00:55:41,230 --> 00:55:39,050
so important and I don't think you know

1243
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:41,240
the media or even the scientific

1244
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:43,609
establishment is really geared to act

1245
00:55:48,819 --> 00:55:45,280
against groups like that I think

1246
00:55:50,589 --> 00:55:48,829
interest groups like skeptics groups are

1247
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:50,599
very well placed to kind of run

1248
00:55:55,150 --> 00:55:53,210
grassroots campaigns against you know

1249
00:55:56,349 --> 00:55:55,160
people who are pitching harmful

1250
00:55:59,079 --> 00:55:56,359
dangerous word

1251
00:56:02,109 --> 00:55:59,089
yeah and stevia yeah you've been around

1252
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:02,119
for a few years now yeah although James

1253
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:05,890
is somewhat older a couple of years old

1254
00:56:15,460 --> 00:56:11,690
everybody in the world I've been to many

1255
00:56:17,410 --> 00:56:15,470
conferences since 1987 and is it's

1256
00:56:18,700 --> 00:56:17,420
important to meet up it's not not very

1257
00:56:20,050 --> 00:56:18,710
important to have the conference and

1258
00:56:21,730 --> 00:56:20,060
hear those speakers because we know we

1259
00:56:24,460 --> 00:56:21,740
know each other we're not only going to

1260
00:56:27,220 --> 00:56:24,470
say you know even if it's due to us we

1261
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:27,230
all know the attitude already it's very

1262
00:56:31,530 --> 00:56:29,210
very important to meet up and actually

1263
00:56:33,970 --> 00:56:31,540
didn't further it on the web with the

1264
00:56:35,470 --> 00:56:33,980
email on Facebook pages and so on to

1265
00:56:40,740 --> 00:56:35,480
actually get to know the other skeptics

1266
00:56:42,609 --> 00:56:40,750
and form a sort of web of cammo artery

1267
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:42,619
that's really important having place

1268
00:56:47,079 --> 00:56:44,569
because as John said the opposition

1269
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:47,089
groups we have are organized and we're

1270
00:56:50,109 --> 00:56:48,530
not organized we all just like herding

1271
00:56:51,460 --> 00:56:50,119
cats really but you know we're up

1272
00:56:53,140 --> 00:56:51,470
against you know the anti-vaccination

1273
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:53,150
involved the biblical fundamentalist

1274
00:56:57,339 --> 00:56:54,530
mobs there some of the organized

1275
00:57:00,280 --> 00:56:57,349
societies with a priest and Dogma her no

1276
00:57:02,290 --> 00:57:00,290
dissent internally and they're quite you

1277
00:57:04,690 --> 00:57:02,300
know quite hard to oppose on some things

1278
00:57:07,089 --> 00:57:04,700
so we need all the strength we can find

1279
00:57:10,420 --> 00:57:07,099
while remaining a while retaining our

1280
00:57:13,540 --> 00:57:10,430
individual from thoughts and attitudes

1281
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:13,550
you know and personalities and this is a

1282
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:15,200
very important way of doing it to

1283
00:57:20,349 --> 00:57:16,400
actually meet people in the flesh that

1284
00:57:22,329 --> 00:57:20,359
you're only seen on Facebook I'm holding

1285
00:57:25,730 --> 00:57:22,339
up a photo of Brian Dunning of skeptoid

1286
00:57:29,490 --> 00:57:25,740
on a stick now that's intimidating

1287
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:29,500
I'm Bionic I have a deep voice it's one

1288
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:34,089
of Maynard next door we've gotta hold

1289
00:57:36,839 --> 00:57:35,920
them up I'm gonna just a quick photo in

1290
00:57:39,540 --> 00:57:36,849
the little hood then it'll be back to

1291
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:39,550
Richard Richard what are you hoping for

1292
00:57:44,670 --> 00:57:42,970
other girl give at the end well I'm

1293
00:57:46,829 --> 00:57:44,680
hoping for I'm hoping for a world peace

1294
00:57:52,349 --> 00:57:46,839
and the adoption of the scientific

1295
00:57:55,079 --> 00:57:52,359
method no one would follow from the

1296
00:57:56,670 --> 00:57:55,089
other makes it easier I'm sure I'm

1297
00:57:58,740 --> 00:57:56,680
really looking forward to this weekend

1298
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:58,750
and all the sessions that are coming up

1299
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:01,839
I know that James Randi is visiting a

1300
00:58:06,059 --> 00:58:02,890
school tomorrow

1301
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:06,069
a really important thing to us I've got

1302
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:07,450
to swing any board nights at the tuck

1303
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:09,130
shop that's why he's going out there

1304
00:58:13,950 --> 00:58:11,890
apart from that last meal looking

1305
00:58:16,770 --> 00:58:13,960
forward to that well I think we've all

1306
00:58:18,420 --> 00:58:16,780
learned something this afternoon um most

1307
00:58:20,670 --> 00:58:18,430
other people more than me cuz I'm not

1308
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:20,680
particular bright but what do you think

1309
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:22,089
what are you looking forward to

1310
00:58:29,010 --> 00:58:25,210
to finish off well I I must tell you

1311
00:58:30,750 --> 00:58:29,020
about an Alice who I know now we were

1312
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:30,760
talking about the the feminine angle on

1313
00:58:35,039 --> 00:58:32,770
this sort of thing this Alice is a

1314
00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:35,049
person who I very very good friend of

1315
00:58:41,450 --> 00:58:37,569
mine I worked with Alice for a long time

1316
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:41,460
on a special tour and I must say that

1317
00:58:48,420 --> 00:58:44,290
Alice has turned into a fundamentalist

1318
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:48,430
freak and but Alice's father was a

1319
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:51,730
Mormon minister after all I'm speaking

1320
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:54,730
unfortunately of Alice Cooper and I

1321
00:58:58,410 --> 00:58:56,290
worked with Alice I did a whole tour

1322
00:59:00,960 --> 00:58:58,420
with Alice we got along very well we

1323
00:59:02,730 --> 00:59:00,970
still get along very very well but we

1324
00:59:05,099 --> 00:59:02,740
don't argue about religion he knows

1325
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:05,109
better than that do you think it's

1326
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:07,359
because of these wild crazy days it's

1327
00:59:11,339 --> 00:59:09,250
almost like an antidote or some way that

1328
00:59:13,140 --> 00:59:11,349
the pendulum had to swing back that way

1329
00:59:15,569 --> 00:59:13,150
again it might very well be I've always

1330
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:15,579
thought of that but I don't want to get

1331
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:17,170
into an argument with him he's still a

1332
00:59:19,630 --> 00:59:18,640
good friend of mine I want to keep him

1333
00:59:21,940 --> 00:59:19,640
that way

1334
00:59:24,850 --> 00:59:21,950
man I think he's still such a wonderful

1335
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:24,860
man if I theme now I just don't believe

1336
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:29,210
he's that Ellis Cooper he's that's him

1337
00:59:34,660 --> 00:59:30,110
that's him

1338
00:59:36,340 --> 00:59:34,670
oh yes on the big island scoop of fan

1339
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:36,350
but I'm more of a fan of the man who

1340
01:00:00,220 --> 00:59:58,690
can you just well we've certainly been

1341
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:00,230
having a bit of fun here in this very

1342
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:02,480
small room off a sideline in Brunswick

1343
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:05,410
Street with with Randy and Richard and

1344
01:00:12,820 --> 01:00:09,170
Steven and John and Gavin and I can see

1345
01:00:14,350 --> 01:00:12,830
literally you can see Roland Roland as

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well and and thank you for joining us

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here on this very special episode of the

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drunk tank

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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your page it's only 30 seconds and it's

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a promotion for the skeptic zone help

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pass the word around also on that page

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if you scroll right to the bottom I've

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added some more origami posters some of

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my origami foldings and photography and

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I've placed those up on Wikimedia so

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they are free to download in high

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resolution and I always think that they

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would make a nice addition to a

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children's room or maybe the children's

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ward in a hospital or anywhere really I

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think they're quite dumb they're quite

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fun pictures have a look at skeptic zone

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TV right at the bottom of the page on

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Tuesday the 6th of August just coming up

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at the Maudie skeptics in the pub

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in Victoria just south of Melbourne

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climate change latest research findings

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dr. Scott power using 22 climate models

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Scott power and Francois de Lodge at the

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Australian Bureau of Meteorology and

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Melbourne analyzed the rate at which

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monthly temperatures are likely to reach

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unprecedented levels over the course of

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the 21st century the results are

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disturbing Scott will outline his

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findings and the predictions of the

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modelling for more information about

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that particular Meetup

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you can go to meetup.com and just look

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for Morty mor di skeptics in the pub

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again links in this week's show notes

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and of course on Tuesday the 13th of

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August in Canberra social skeptics in

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Canberra we have a very own Trish hand

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who was a reporter on the sceptic zone

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with her segment attrition ships she's

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also a vice president of the Australian

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skeptics here in New South Wales and she

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will be giving a talk women's whooo

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pseudoscience and women's health this is

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from 6 p.m. at the law lecture theater

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Law School Building number 5 at the

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Australian National University and this

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talk is a tour through the world of

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women's whoo there's probably more of it

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than you realize and it's often the

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weirder than you expect and dinner will

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follow that talk again links in this

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week's show notes for social skeptics

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Canberra and I you know what I saw Trish

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Han on the TV news just a couple of days

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ago because Trish also works at the

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Royal Prince Alfred Hospital here in

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Sydney a very famous hospital and she

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was taking part in action to highlight

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the very real dangers a lot of hospital

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staff face in this country from violent

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and unruly people who come into the

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hospital for various reasons agitated

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people people angry at something people

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affected by certain substances I guess

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whatever the case whatever the case and

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Trish and her colleagues were

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highlighting the fact that they should

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be able to work in a safe environment

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and as somebody promoting science and

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reason as hospital people do of course

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as I think it's acutely important that

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they work in a safe environment like

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everybody everybody no matter what their

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workplace should be able to work in a

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safe environment so well done Trish and

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your colleagues were standing up to

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highlight and support that very

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01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:40,699
important issue and finally if you visit

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the skipping zone Facebook page one of

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the recent postings is a fun poster or a

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Henrietta and Maud if you go there you

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can see what they really do behind the

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scenes here at the sceptic zone mostly

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sleep I think yeah but for this week

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this is Richard Saunders signing off

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or any other skeptical organization

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I mean what you're saying is what you're

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saying

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so when you have aphasia like I do

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because my brain just assumes when I say

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a word and then it's the word I want to

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say I better let you get that alum stuff

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yeah that's that's my that's actually my

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my ringer on my phone cuz you know I

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have an iPhone everybody has like all

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the different rings so I just use that

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process I know that is my ring because

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nobody uses the red alert

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further ringtone so yeah yeah so yes the

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funny thing is like so one of the

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reasons why you don't like your voice